Comments on: Versus Terrorists http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/ Ogre's View of NC, America, and the World: Through Freedom-Colored Glasses Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:08:07 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Ogre http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-632 Ogre Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:37:03 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-632 Oh heck, I'd almost vote single issue on getting us out of the UN! And there's not one other candidate that would even consider that one. Oh heck, I’d almost vote single issue on getting us out of the UN! And there’s not one other candidate that would even consider that one.

]]> By: HoosierArmyMom http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-626 HoosierArmyMom Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:45:51 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-626 Another thing you have to love about Ron Paul, not only would he try to repeal NAFTA an CAFTA, but we might get to see the demise or at least removal from American soil, of the "United Nations" scam!!!! Yeeessss!!!! You have to love the way on domestic policy, he wants more freedom restored! And Ogre, once again, you make a very good point. I guess actions are more important than appearance. You can look at how Bill Clinton came on the scene and how THAT worked out and know that is true! Another thing you have to love about Ron Paul, not only would he try to repeal NAFTA an CAFTA, but we might get to see the demise or at least removal from American soil, of the “United Nations” scam!!!! Yeeessss!!!! You have to love the way on domestic policy, he wants more freedom restored! And Ogre, once again, you make a very good point. I guess actions are more important than appearance.
You can look at how Bill Clinton came on the scene and how THAT worked out and know that is true!

]]> By: GM Roper http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-623 GM Roper Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:28:13 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-623 I agree with his Cuba stance for sure. We could have done that 20 years ago and Cuba would be free now. 20 years of living under a dictatorship followed by a number of years with free trade between the US and Cuba and they would all rise up in arms when they compare how they lived then vs. now. This is especially true today after 47 years under Castro. The total failure of the Castro government has nothing to do with the embargo imho because other countries have been ignoring the embargo anyway. Yet, some trade (as opposed to wide open trade) has done nothing for Cuba. Of course, I could be wrong on that. I agree with his Cuba stance for sure. We could have done that 20 years ago and Cuba would be free now. 20 years of living under a dictatorship followed by a number of years with free trade between the US and Cuba and they would all rise up in arms when they compare how they lived then vs. now. This is especially true today after 47 years under Castro. The total failure of the Castro government has nothing to do with the embargo imho because other countries have been ignoring the embargo anyway. Yet, some trade (as opposed to wide open trade) has done nothing for Cuba. Of course, I could be wrong on that.

]]> By: Ogre http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-619 Ogre Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:41:15 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-619 I hadn't heard about buying oil from Chavez. Then again, that would certainly be more free... but that's an area, again, where I don't think as president he would actually have the ability to do that. I'm not sure, though. As for Cuba, well, I don't think the embargo is working. I'm pretty sure they're not about to surrender to the US and start being nice or anything. I hadn’t heard about buying oil from Chavez. Then again, that would certainly be more free… but that’s an area, again, where I don’t think as president he would actually have the ability to do that. I’m not sure, though.

As for Cuba, well, I don’t think the embargo is working. I’m pretty sure they’re not about to surrender to the US and start being nice or anything.

]]> By: Raven http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-617 Raven Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:31:52 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-617 Yeah he says he would fight to recall NAFTA and CAFTA and the other deals...in the brochure I got in the mail he says he would open up trade with Cuba, for example. That the decades old barring of relations is no longer needed; that the government doesn't have to deal with the Cubans but that US businesses should be able to if they want. Also, states should be able to buy oil from Chavez without fear of crap from feds...I get that. But I think we're dealing with the devil once again if we go that route. I firmly believe that if NAFTA were killed we would see an end to so many American jobs, factories, closing shop to head for south border to set up house in Mexico. Killing that crap of a deal would create more jobs once again for so many Americans. So I like that. Yeah he says he would fight to recall NAFTA and CAFTA and the other deals…in the brochure I got in the mail he says he would open up trade with Cuba, for example. That the decades old barring of relations is no longer needed; that the government doesn’t have to deal with the Cubans but that US businesses should be able to if they want. Also, states should be able to buy oil from Chavez without fear of crap from feds…I get that.
But I think we’re dealing with the devil once again if we go that route.

I firmly believe that if NAFTA were killed we would see an end to so many American jobs, factories, closing shop to head for south border to set up house in Mexico. Killing that crap of a deal would create more jobs once again for so many Americans. So I like that.

]]> By: Ogre http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-616 Ogre Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:21:49 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-616 I know that a lot of what Paul wants to do simply cannot happen -- because Congress won't do it. But I view that as even better! Just imagine a Washington that's not passing new laws every day! Imagine a Washington that can't agree on spending -- SO THEY DON'T SPEND. I think basically it comes down to freedom and smaller government. I think the other candidates talk about it, but they don't have any concrete ideas. I think Paul really will force government to be smaller. I think the medical system is a total mess -- BECAUSE of government. I don't believe there is any possible way for the government to fix that mess. Only capitalism and freedom can. I don't see anywhere that Paul thinks trading with everyone is okay. In fact, he's opposed to NAFTA and other free trade agreements. I think he does believe in using economic sanctions and other diplomatic tools against other countries -- just not military force every time, unless the US is actually in danger. I know that a lot of what Paul wants to do simply cannot happen — because Congress won’t do it. But I view that as even better! Just imagine a Washington that’s not passing new laws every day! Imagine a Washington that can’t agree on spending — SO THEY DON’T SPEND.

I think basically it comes down to freedom and smaller government. I think the other candidates talk about it, but they don’t have any concrete ideas. I think Paul really will force government to be smaller. I think the medical system is a total mess — BECAUSE of government. I don’t believe there is any possible way for the government to fix that mess. Only capitalism and freedom can.

I don’t see anywhere that Paul thinks trading with everyone is okay. In fact, he’s opposed to NAFTA and other free trade agreements. I think he does believe in using economic sanctions and other diplomatic tools against other countries — just not military force every time, unless the US is actually in danger.

]]> By: Raven http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-615 Raven Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:09:20 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-615 I totally respect Paul's stance on abortion- he would try to repeal Roe v Wade and end this horrific "right" that has killed more darn human beings than all the wars we have fought in. And I believe Paul is the only candidate to address homeschooling rights and the problems families face when they decide to do this. I have to tip my baseball cap to him on these very important issues. I totally respect Paul’s stance on abortion- he would try to repeal Roe v Wade and end this horrific “right” that has killed more darn human beings than all the wars we have fought in.

And I believe Paul is the only candidate to address homeschooling rights and the problems families face when they decide to do this. I have to tip my baseball cap to him on these very important issues.

]]> By: Raven http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-614 Raven Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:03:09 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-614 I've read a lot of Paul's stances on the issues. The other day we got some stuff in our mail from him. I do like many of his domestic policy ideas, with the exception of health care: That's a bit dry and totally useless when it comes to fixing what it broken...opening up alternative medications and therapies and drug purchasing deals with Canada are not going to put much of a dent into the problems we face. For someone who is a doctor, he hasn't come out with much better and I read many good ideas from doctors who blog. LOL Another great idea he has is getting rid of the IRS. Sounds great and I am all for this. However it won't happen and those of us who proclaim it can happen, who dream it, are looked upon as fools. It's a big reason Paul isn't respected so much. As for his ideas regarding the Middle East? It was JFK who first placed our troops in the Mid East- he brokered a deal with the Saudi's solely to protect their country AND our interests with, what else, OIL. Part of that whole deal was a promise from SA that it would never attack Israel... It's all about the OIL. Ron Paul surely knows this. I don't see anywhere that he wants us to pull out of the Mid East cut barrel; just Iraq. Which is fine except it will come back to byte us hard, as HAM says. I don't see much from Paul about dealing with our dependence upon the OIL so we will not leave the Mid East totally. We need to understand this fact before we believe anything a candidate claims and promises. Israel is totally able to defend herself; but she relies upon the US for the material supports to do so. We will always fund Israel's defenses and that makes us the enemy to the vast majority of people in that part of the world. In one way and many others the US will always occupy that region of the world- as long as we're in need of oil. The other problem I have with Paul is his apparent thought that it's ok to deal with the devils of the world; Cuba, South American nations with really bad leaders are not the kind of places we should be freely trading with. To do so will one day come back to haunt us. Like the Mid East, once we step foot into these pits, we'll be stuck there...and the people who have lost their freedoms, who are being forced to live in extreme socialism, will become resentful of the US approval by trade agreements proxy...I don't like it and I think it should concern a lot of people. We have to look ahead and see what our actions could do down the road. If we had done that back in the late 1950s and early 1960's perhaps we wouldn't be where we are now. By allowing free trade with current rogue nations we're repeating history. I don't think Paul understands this. I’ve read a lot of Paul’s stances on the issues. The other day we got some stuff in our mail from him. I do like many of his domestic policy ideas, with the exception of health care: That’s a bit dry and totally useless when it comes to fixing what it broken…opening up alternative medications and therapies and drug purchasing deals with Canada are not going to put much of a dent into the problems we face.
For someone who is a doctor, he hasn’t come out with much better and I read many good ideas from doctors who blog. LOL

Another great idea he has is getting rid of the IRS. Sounds great and I am all for this. However it won’t happen and those of us who proclaim it can happen, who dream it, are looked upon as fools. It’s a big reason Paul isn’t respected so much.

As for his ideas regarding the Middle East? It was JFK who first placed our troops in the Mid East- he brokered a deal with the Saudi’s solely to protect their country AND our interests with, what else, OIL. Part of that whole deal was a promise from SA that it would never attack Israel…

It’s all about the OIL.

Ron Paul surely knows this. I don’t see anywhere that he wants us to pull out of the Mid East cut barrel; just Iraq. Which is fine except it will come back to byte us hard, as HAM says. I don’t see much from Paul about dealing with our dependence upon the OIL so we will not leave the Mid East totally. We need to understand this fact before we believe anything a candidate claims and promises.

Israel is totally able to defend herself; but she relies upon the US for the material supports to do so. We will always fund Israel’s defenses and that makes us the enemy to the vast majority of people in that part of the world. In one way and many others the US will always occupy that region of the world- as long as we’re in need of oil.

The other problem I have with Paul is his apparent thought that it’s ok to deal with the devils of the world; Cuba, South American nations with really bad leaders are not the kind of places we should be freely trading with. To do so will one day come back to haunt us. Like the Mid East, once we step foot into these pits, we’ll be stuck there…and the people who have lost their freedoms, who are being forced to live in extreme socialism, will become resentful of the US approval by trade agreements proxy…I don’t like it and I think it should concern a lot of people. We have to look ahead and see what our actions could do down the road.

If we had done that back in the late 1950s and early 1960’s perhaps we wouldn’t be where we are now. By allowing free trade with current rogue nations we’re repeating history. I don’t think Paul understands this.

]]> By: Ogre http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-613 Ogre Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:00:33 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-613 Well, I'm more concerned these days with actions rather than appearance. I think I'm really in the minority today, however. Will Paul "stand up" to them? Well, if you're looking for John Wayne who will point a gun at them and threaten them with violence if they don't do exactly what we say, that's not going to happen. Will he, instead, do as the founding fathers wanted and offer bounties for the heads of terrorists? Yes, he will do that -- so the terrorists will stop and be dead -- we just won't be using tens of thousands of troops all over the world to do it. Could the terrorists centralize and gain power with the US out of the middle east? Maybe -- but then again, they might not be able to gather more recruits because they won't have anything to fight against! It will be a lot harder to recruit bombers when you're asking them to attack their fellow countrymen as opposed to asking them to attack Americans. Well, I’m more concerned these days with actions rather than appearance. I think I’m really in the minority today, however.

Will Paul “stand up” to them? Well, if you’re looking for John Wayne who will point a gun at them and threaten them with violence if they don’t do exactly what we say, that’s not going to happen. Will he, instead, do as the founding fathers wanted and offer bounties for the heads of terrorists? Yes, he will do that — so the terrorists will stop and be dead — we just won’t be using tens of thousands of troops all over the world to do it.

Could the terrorists centralize and gain power with the US out of the middle east? Maybe — but then again, they might not be able to gather more recruits because they won’t have anything to fight against! It will be a lot harder to recruit bombers when you’re asking them to attack their fellow countrymen as opposed to asking them to attack Americans.

]]> By: HoosierArmyMom http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-610 HoosierArmyMom Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:47:30 +0000 http://ogre11.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/versus-terrorists/#comment-610 Well, as I said, I wasn't sure. If pulling out of other countries served to create Peace in the world, that would be great, but what if... it only gives the Islamofascists the opportunity to move into territories and take over. From reading Michael Yon over the months, I have come to understand that extremists came into Iraq via the surrounding countries, fresh out of "terrorist schools" and began taking over communities, terrorizing and murdering innocent people who would not give up their children to be used for suicide bomb attacks, or go along with their Al Qaeda Agenda. Withdrawl before Al Qaeda is nuetralized could backfire and in a couple years, we could be facing an enemy that is greater in numbers and heavily reinforced. That is what worries me. And is Ron Paul the kind of presence who could deal with terrorists? Would they percieve him as a coward and not worthy of respecting?? I know the first time I saw him speak in a debate I thought he looked like a weenie and was a bit whiney. I am just of an opinion that "presence counts" when dealing foreign policy and diplomacy (kind of like the "Don't Tread On Me" flag!). Our enemies have to see our leader as someone who WILL stand up to them if need be. I'll go out and read about Ron Paul and see if I still feel this way. That is really my deepest concern. Well, as I said, I wasn’t sure. If pulling out of other countries served to create Peace in the world, that would be great, but what if… it only gives the Islamofascists the opportunity to move into territories and take over. From reading Michael Yon over the months, I have come to understand that extremists came into Iraq via the surrounding countries, fresh out of “terrorist schools” and began taking over communities, terrorizing and murdering innocent people who would not give up their children to be used for suicide bomb attacks, or go along with their Al Qaeda Agenda. Withdrawl before Al Qaeda is nuetralized could backfire and in a couple years, we could be facing an enemy that is greater in numbers and heavily reinforced. That is what worries me. And is Ron Paul the kind of presence who could deal with terrorists? Would they percieve him as a coward and not worthy of respecting??
I know the first time I saw him speak in a debate I thought he looked like a weenie and was a bit whiney. I am just of an opinion that “presence counts” when dealing foreign policy and diplomacy (kind of like the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag!). Our enemies have to see our leader as someone who WILL stand up to them if need be. I’ll go out and read about Ron Paul and see if I still feel this way.
That is really my deepest concern.

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